tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post4080354168490315779..comments2024-03-27T14:13:14.579-04:00Comments on DOUBLE CROSS: Howie Abrams - In-Effect Records part IIIDOUBLE CROSShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894060297863887810noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-42561898115458556082010-01-31T19:14:38.456-05:002010-01-31T19:14:38.456-05:00Howie,
Shoot me an e-mail if you read this:
Gran...Howie,<br /><br />Shoot me an e-mail if you read this:<br /><br />Grandnagus69@yahoo.com<br /><br />I'll fill you in on some back story you may not know about. We (you and I) did discuss this briefly before on that site from Albany who posted the debate a couple of years ago.<br /><br />Dave K.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-42499644999372236012010-01-31T10:43:57.103-05:002010-01-31T10:43:57.103-05:00Dave:
I don't think there's still hostilit...Dave:<br />I don't think there's still hostility over the issue at all...just passionate opposing viewpoints. Speaking for myself; at the time this was going down, people I didn't know...people who didn't know me, were pointing their finger saying "you are wrong." It's like politics. Both sides believe they're right and will not relent. <br /><br />However, in this case, one side took it upon themselves to attack the other in a manner that was offensive to the sensibilities (of the other side). This, unlike politics, was not some pseudo-civil political debate. It was real people with real emotions and beliefs and one party wound up feeling pushed to the brink with not just criticism, but <br />nagging, overbearing self-righteousness.<br /><br />If the Born Against faction just went ahead and further developed their thing at ABC and their bands without choosing SOIA as their scapegoat, the result would have been the same...save for the retarded "debate" and demonizing of good, hard-working people who didn't deserve to be targets. Plus, we wouldn't still be talking about it, so i suppose in that sense, it was worth it...for the ABC crew. Overall - not worth it whatsoever.<br /><br />- HowieHow*Nicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00501468276096789329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-37041143426205852832010-01-29T17:50:52.348-05:002010-01-29T17:50:52.348-05:00The fact that SOIA is still around has nothing to ...The fact that SOIA is still around has nothing to do with whether you like their music now or not. They set out to play music for a living back then, which was unheard of at the time for a HC band, and they are doing it. My hat goes off to them.<br />As far as the debate goes, Steve Martin won, end of story.<br />Best line - "You want to do something about my football jacket."erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01994089977776695705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-82806322097019136152010-01-29T12:43:47.947-05:002010-01-29T12:43:47.947-05:00Howie taking us back. I'm glad I'm no long...Howie taking us back. I'm glad I'm no longer the only contributor with Anthrax in their piece. LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-15286017531337591572010-01-29T11:50:58.708-05:002010-01-29T11:50:58.708-05:00The arguement that SOIA is still around is fucking...The arguement that SOIA is still around is fucking comical. Who cares? When is the last time they put a decent record? It's been well over a decade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-36668999440207300382010-01-29T10:18:04.340-05:002010-01-29T10:18:04.340-05:00The whole In-Effect Vs. ABC No-Rio thing is comedy...The whole In-Effect Vs. ABC No-Rio thing is comedy in retrospect. I think Born Against and crew did raise some good points but when you listen to the debate itself they just sound like vindictive know-it-all nerds. And ultimately they both created their own monsters: What does SOIA-style major label hardcore get you? Hatebreed. What does holier-than-thou D.I.Y. PC core get you? Insert terrible condescending D.I.Y. PC hardcore band name here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-2613255210907288472010-01-29T09:38:56.114-05:002010-01-29T09:38:56.114-05:00Loved that video. Remember Vision getting as big, ...Loved that video. Remember Vision getting as big, or bigger response than AF and SOIA at The Ritz. Seemed 'everyone' had a Vision shirt on, including me. That would of been great if in-effect put out Vision's second album. I love that album, remember hating it when it came out, but listen it probably more than ITBOAE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-17195613146695769932010-01-29T08:34:47.788-05:002010-01-29T08:34:47.788-05:00who is hostile?who is hostile?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-488733945242805152010-01-29T06:38:18.845-05:002010-01-29T06:38:18.845-05:00Man, 20 years later and there is still so much hos...Man, 20 years later and there is still so much hostility over this issue. I do wish I went into more detail in the unfinished book about the whole "debate" affair and all the behind the scenes/reasons why I helped plant the seeds for this. We all just had different viewpoints on the issue.<br /><br />-Dave K.Bella's Book Boutiquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511943746716854925noreply@blogger.com