tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post2756096698299262250..comments2024-03-27T14:13:14.579-04:00Comments on DOUBLE CROSS: John Joseph - Cro-MagsDOUBLE CROSShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894060297863887810noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-16157681414118470592010-10-30T09:22:45.821-04:002010-10-30T09:22:45.821-04:00BOY GEORGE is the toughest KrisnaBOY GEORGE is the toughest KrisnaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-68907540093981766902010-10-30T09:20:15.623-04:002010-10-30T09:20:15.623-04:00John Joseph has not made a good record in over 24 ...John Joseph has not made a good record in over 24 years. And he actually did not write any of the music or lyrics for that record (AOQ)!HFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-72020125660555035312010-10-18T15:45:21.691-04:002010-10-18T15:45:21.691-04:00John is kinda a dumb fuck. He blurts out in an in...John is kinda a dumb fuck. He blurts out in an interview about not needing bogus gurus, but 99% of the readers doesn't know the inner politics of his fucked up cult world.<br /><br />He probably needs a guru just to get his english on track at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-64424864874922490992010-10-07T14:16:19.870-04:002010-10-07T14:16:19.870-04:00for me it was about the music and the message in t...for me it was about the music and the message in the music every band has some sort of internal conflict at times. the music took me to a safe place where i could be ok to feel the anger, frustration, and out the main stream feelings that came over me from time to time. i drank, used drugs, and ate as much meat as my body could take. i stopped when i learned how to stop. so just for today i'm ok. hopefully some day the OG CROMAGS lineup and squash the bad blood and bring the quarrel one more time..........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-68732502813607820662010-10-06T15:27:10.541-04:002010-10-06T15:27:10.541-04:00Is he wearing a toupee?
He has way too thick a mop...Is he wearing a toupee?<br />He has way too thick a mop on that head for a 48 year old man...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-2784503085056282302010-10-06T10:56:49.631-04:002010-10-06T10:56:49.631-04:00Hey last "anonymous" - read John's b...Hey last "anonymous" - read John's book. He details his problems with drugs etc. pretty explicitly. He's not trying to hide anything.Justin M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-17160654815865155852010-10-06T09:59:53.655-04:002010-10-06T09:59:53.655-04:00John acts as if he was on the Prabhupada band wago...John acts as if he was on the Prabhupada band wagon all this time. As if he is even on it now. He glosses over, of course, his long history of doing things that Prabhupada condemned. Prabhupada is God to him yet he hasn't even followed the 4 regulative principles that Prabhupada said was basic for <i>any</i> of his followers. He is the Hare Krishna version of a right winged Senator who condemns homosexuals just to be caught getting sucked off at a truck stop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-29034396745081424022010-10-06T03:58:45.185-04:002010-10-06T03:58:45.185-04:00Hey ERCS, thanks for confirming my long-held sense...Hey ERCS, thanks for confirming my long-held sense that Krsna Consciousness is so enlightened. Calling me a fool for not being enlightened like you? That sounds pretty HC/punk. I do know quite a bit about cults... and in particular... that cult. I lived in India as a teenager, have studied Buddhism, Islam, and Hinduism in college and graduate school (that's right, me, the fool!) and have dozens of personal contacts that were Krsna conscious (in that cult). Many of them are probably the people you used to idolize. <br /><br />Go listen to the Descendents... 'Cool to be you'. Enjoy your identity.ShayKMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-15206537037206867792010-10-05T21:28:46.375-04:002010-10-05T21:28:46.375-04:00Krsna Consciousness in not a religious cult so dro...Krsna Consciousness in not a religious cult so drop it fool. It is exactly what it sounds like - a consciouness. You know nothing about it. "Prabhupada" and "schtick" don't belong in the same sentence.ERCSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-47511356745689671032010-10-05T20:26:12.600-04:002010-10-05T20:26:12.600-04:00I am just glad john is going to put out an album a...I am just glad john is going to put out an album and stop talking about Cro-mags circa mid 80s. Revenge was a good album but Alpha Omgega and Near death experience suck. Bloodclot makes Both Worlds look like I Against I era Bad Brains.Rinjo Njori!https://www.blogger.com/profile/06637737178786110394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-63305531179302806032010-10-05T20:22:40.376-04:002010-10-05T20:22:40.376-04:00First, I wouldn't tell John - or anyone for th...First, I wouldn't tell John - or anyone for that matter - to 'shut up'. My point is that he can get his veggie/SE message across without tying it to a religious cult. This is the same problem that many of the late 80s early 90s bands had. Being veggie meant being religious. I reject the association. <br /><br />For the sake of clarity on veggie punk bands: the list is huge. Almost every band on the Corpus Christie label was veggie or vegan - this goes back to 78-79-80 and onwards. Captain Sensible of the Damned was a veggie and preached that shit hard! Joe Strummer was a veggie. Later bands would include biggies like Vice Squad, GBH, Rudimentary Peni (fucking awesome band!!!)Conflict, Crucifix, Broken Bones, Christ on Parade, Flux of Pink Indians... This was then followed by many members of bands that would rant/rave/preach a veggie lifestyle, even though the band as a whole wasn't living that way. This was long before 'Best Wishes' came out. And as far as the SE link goes... To my mind that is Minor Threat, SSD, DYS, Uniform Choice, NFAA et al... not the Mags!<br /><br />Again, my point is that being SE/veggie is not a 'cool' trend. It is awesome - subjectively speaking - but it is also really hard for people to shed the addictive lifestyle so common in modern society. I would praise kids for trying it, rather than knock them for failing. Though the image of people sitting in Mickey D's and shooting smack (just to add punch to John's image) is still a potent illustration of a fucked up culture. And don't for a minute think that I am not a huge fan of the Mags! I listen, and have been listening, to these guys since the beginning. CheersShayKMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-4036263248336984682010-10-05T18:34:40.199-04:002010-10-05T18:34:40.199-04:00You can't expect someone who is into Prabhupad...You can't expect someone who is into Prabhupada to "shut up about it", because being into Prabhupada means following his teachings, and part of the teachings are to SPREAD THE MESSAGE. what do you care? if you're not into it, fine. but don't dis john for mentioning it. he really isn't preachy at all. if he hadn't found Krishna consciousness, he might not even be alive today. jj isn't some kid who got into Krsna from a shelter cd. he got into it in like 1980!<br /><br />and no, straight edge wasn't around for years before the cro-mags. that term didn't exist until the minor threat song. cro-mags go back to what, 1981? tell me one late '70s, earyl 80s band that preached vegetarianism! X-Ray Specs? maybe...but the singer was a Krsna. Chrissie Hynde is also into Krsna and animal rights. but thats about the end of that list!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-27047836038526106082010-10-05T14:54:23.358-04:002010-10-05T14:54:23.358-04:00October 10, 2010 should be "Reclaim Your Edge...October 10, 2010 should be "Reclaim Your Edge Day" for all the people who fell by the wayside. 10/10/10 - X/X/X in Roman Numerals. I loved the VEGAN STRAIGHTEDGE - I don't care if it seemed like a fad or whatnot - it was fun, and felt special. Just because it doesn't really exist anymore, I don't think it meant nothing. Same thing goes for the Krishna-core and the Cro-Mags.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-81751166548816235322010-10-05T13:12:59.858-04:002010-10-05T13:12:59.858-04:00I assumed the vegan, straight-edgers mentioned in ...I assumed the vegan, straight-edgers mentioned in the interview are referred to as "Hardline".Damagednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-40486995690817097352010-10-05T11:14:20.209-04:002010-10-05T11:14:20.209-04:00ShayKM, I grew up in southern CA, and yes - most o...ShayKM, I grew up in southern CA, and yes - most of the knucklehead know-it-all vegan edge kids are now doing dope and eating mcdonald's. So, his comment rings true to me. If you don't wanna hear stuff about people's religion then don't read an interview with JOHN FUCKING JOSEPH who has been speaking about such things for over 25 years. Just sayin'<br /><br />Oh, and SxE was as 'cool' as it's ever been during the VEGAN EDGE/EARTH CRISIS/CNN years of '95 - '98 and that's when the bandwagon jumping began and is probably what he's referring to.Justin M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-86463441539872088482010-10-05T07:33:08.872-04:002010-10-05T07:33:08.872-04:00@ ShayKM - now, if you're trying to seperate m...@ ShayKM - now, if you're trying to seperate music from the message be my guest but you won't get much more than just loud & dry pile of riffs and beats. Quality ones but still. In this case Mags were inspired by Prabhupada since day one so I see no reason why JJ should keep his mouth shut. <br />All he says is get the book, read it and try it for yourself. If it works - great. If it doesn't - fine, find your own shit. Whatever it's vegan straight edge, gospel or ballet. Seriously, who cares. <br /><br />Good interview.Malikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06947525094942490460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-33351841568470928272010-10-05T00:23:42.184-04:002010-10-05T00:23:42.184-04:00"The kids who screamed the loudest about that..."The kids who screamed the loudest about that shit had a pretty high dropout rate."<br /><br />I think I got his point very clearly. I suspect you didn't.<br /><br />The kids who screamed the loudest about that shit include most of the HC bands that made SE what it is. My point is that he is using a strawman argument. On a humorous level I appreciate his comment. But the fact is that SE was never 'cool'. Not in the HC scene, as a whole, and certainly not in wider society. Unless you grew up in some kind SE paradise(?). I grew up around drunks, crackheads, and tweekers - both in and out of the HC scene. Being SE was fucking difficult!<br /><br />And I shouldn't read something if I don't agree with it? My opinion is what it is 'bro'! Religions are for the servile! All of them. Read that!ShayKMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-53573385580753654212010-10-04T23:44:21.381-04:002010-10-04T23:44:21.381-04:00JJ's not talking about vegan straight edge kid...JJ's not talking about vegan straight edge kids - he's talking about VEGAN STRAIGHT EDGE, if ya know what I mean. The kids who screamed the loudest about that shit had a pretty high dropout rate. Oh, and if you don't wanna hear about his religious philosopy then don't read the interview, cuz he talks about that stuff all the time and he's not "cultish" about it at all. More of a real world application to the teachings.Justin M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-85060092911461828262010-10-04T22:53:21.341-04:002010-10-04T22:53:21.341-04:00All hail MACKIE!
HardCore music's greatest d...All hail MACKIE!<br /> HardCore music's greatest drummer.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-34974725135435805362010-10-04T22:51:01.316-04:002010-10-04T22:51:01.316-04:00Any lineup with Mackie pounding away is righteous!...Any lineup with Mackie pounding away is righteous!<br /><br />The whole prahbupada schtick is tiring. This is a good interview, and it's awesome to see these guys going at it, again and again and again. The more the better as far as I'm concerned. But keep the religious culty non-sense at a distance! <br /><br />John's comment about vegan straight-edge kids now eating Mickey D's and shooting smack is funny, but really just empty. His point about not being judgmental rings completely true, but not everyone who held such beliefs drops them when the trend passes on. Almost all of the kids I grew up with who were edge and veggies have stuck with it. And this goes back way before the Mags even started living this way. Remember that many of the late 70s early 80s punk bands espoused a veggie diet, and SE was spreading years before the Mags were around.ShayKMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2768432211492653817.post-78941339928192233012010-10-04T21:12:18.922-04:002010-10-04T21:12:18.922-04:00An album by this lineup would be very interesting,...An album by this lineup would be very interesting, in a good way!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com